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#1 User is online   Max Von Mayerling 

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 12:55 AM

There's already a thread imagining casting a stage revival of 'Nine', but rather than take over that thread I'm interested in the quality/qualities of this piece. I have a short but vivid memory of watching the Tony Awards when the original production was on Broadway - young as I was I was quite taken aback by a (very) young boy cavorting with women who banged him on the bottom with a tambourine! (as I remember it). I guess - having just seen the film - this was 'Be Italian'.

I think the film is an uphill struggle for audience and film-maker - the latter is rather fitting at least. Guido is such an unsympathetic character, and I work in the Arts! What would someone less frou frou make of all that self-indulgence and hand wringing over his creative block? The film makes plenty of the role of women in Italian society - the power behind the men, but only seen in kitchen or bedroom. Yet that isn't really the cause of Guido's torment for much of the film - in fact problematising it is probably a very New York perspective; he's got no reason to feel any guilt, that's the way Italian sexual politics are/were. In the film his breakdown comes when wife and muse refuse to play the game - which is interesting, but it comes at the END! Surely it would be a more interesting dramatic arc if he were in the midst of success when they turn on him? We then jump forward two years - I suggest that those unseen two years might have been more dramatically interesting than what we saw in the film, which is a set of cabaret turns with very obvious 'position statements' for lyrics rather than human feeling - aside from the excellent 'My husband makes movies' and a mere one or two others.

So, 'Nine' fans - I'd like to be converted. How does the stage version make us care? Did the scenes dissolve into past and fantasy as in the film, or were more of them played as real human confrontations with Guido in the here and now? If the latter then though I can see why Rob Marshall chose to get over film's problem with it being a musical, he's done it at the expense of making something we or the characters could truly engage with. Answer - stop making movie musicals in this way. Strange how the need to excuse/extinguish the moment when people break into song is pushing movie musicals (or Rob Marshall's at least) further into staginess than they may exhibit on stage!

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Posted 22 December 2009 - 11:26 PM

Okay, NOW I get it. Listened to Broadway Cast on spotify, and Guido's wife is introduced in detail at the start, only then do we see his extra-martial affair re-established. Makes such a difference when 'normal' is established first and then we take part in seeing it subverted by the 'other women'. Makes you care, and feel the damage being done. Wish the film hadn't unpicked it. sad.gif
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Posted 24 December 2009 - 01:51 PM

I haven't seen the stage show but I've got the highlights from the London concert performance and the plot makes complete sense. However your starting point for comaprison should be the original movie, 8 1/2.
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Posted 26 December 2009 - 01:01 AM

Yes, haven't ever seen Fellini's original but look forward to it. In the meantime I'm enjoying the extra detail in some of the 'Nine' songs that didn't make it to the film. Guido's school and church life as a boy take us deeper into seeing what moulded him (flaws and talents).
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Posted 27 December 2009 - 11:57 AM

QUOTE(Max Von Mayerling @ Dec 26 2009, 01:01 AM) View Post
Yes, haven't ever seen Fellini's original but look forward to it. In the meantime I'm enjoying the extra detail in some of the 'Nine' songs that didn't make it to the film. Guido's school and church life as a boy take us deeper into seeing what moulded him (flaws and talents).

The Bells of St Sebastian is my favourite number. I went to see the movie yesterday and was rather disappointed. It wasn't as bad as Chicago but so much was missing. Luisa was the only character you could care about and Marion Cottilard's rendition of My Husband Makes Movies was really good.
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 01:22 PM

I loved the film, and found myself applauding quite sponataneously, especially after the overture belle donne and Be Italian. I did miss Be on Your Own which does some some very pertinent things about the character, but ont he whole I found it a much more sophisticated approach of trasnposing theatre to film than Chicago, and the segues between the different levels beautifully handled. Cinema Italiano was a bit disappointing but I guess when you have loved a stage show you are always a little resentful of changes.

Will we now get a big production here? Still would like to see Titanic over here in a different production.
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 03:58 PM

Well the movie's been a critical and Box Office flop. It's only taken just under $6m in the US and £0.3m in the UK (placing it number 6 in the UK Top 10).
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 06:41 PM

Its an enjoyable film - not the best but visually stunning - it flags a little in pace but the performances are stunning and marion cotillard is a revelation
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 04:46 PM

I loved the movie! It's definitely like marmite, and the first 20 minutes or so are a bit of a struggle, but I adored it!

Fergie 100% stole the show for me, her performace of Be Italian was sensational, infact the whole scene was stunning. Judi Dench was great too, and I agree about Marion Cotillard. smile.gif
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 04:54 PM

Most of the critics are bemoaning the lack of hummable tunes. Do all musicals have to have hummable tunes? Anyway they cut some of the hummable tunes from the show.
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