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#51 Kathryn2

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 10:54 AM

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I am in a minority of people who voted - but neither you nor I know (whatever the speculations on boards) how big or small a minority I am in.



Ok. So, you are in the minority of people who voted, and then in the even smaller minority who voted for Jessie. You participated in the show in order to choose who you thought should play the role of Nancy, as we were constantly told, 8 shows a week (yes, anyone who believed the winner would actually do all 8 shows a week is naive, but that's what we were told).

The thing is, people who voted for Jodie did so because they did not want Jessie to win, and that turned out to be the majority of voters, regardless of whether they go to see the show in the theatre or not. If Jessie then gets to play the role, then the producers have broken faith with the people who spent their money voting for Jodie because they didn't want Jessie to play Nancy.

If Jessie does get to play the role, then those people should be refunded the cost of their phone votes.

The deal with the television audience was simple - pay money to call our phone line, your vote will be counted (don't call before the end of the show, or your vote won't vote and you will be charged) and whoever gets the most votes will play Nancy; the losers are 'not Nancy'.

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 01:45 PM

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Ok. So, you are in the minority of people who voted, and then in the even smaller minority who voted for Jessie. You participated in the show in order to choose who you thought should play the role of Nancy, as we were constantly told, 8 shows a week (yes, anyone who believed the winner would actually do all 8 shows a week is naive, but that's what we were told).

The thing is, people who voted for Jodie did so because they did not want Jessie to win, and that turned out to be the majority of voters, regardless of whether they go to see the show in the theatre or not. If Jessie then gets to play the role, then the producers have broken faith with the people who spent their money voting for Jodie because they didn't want Jessie to play Nancy.

If Jessie does get to play the role, then those people should be refunded the cost of their phone votes.

The deal with the television audience was simple - pay money to call our phone line, your vote will be counted (don't call before the end of the show, or your vote won't vote and you will be charged) and whoever gets the most votes will play Nancy; the losers are 'not Nancy'.


I think the phrase  'people who voted for Jodie did so because they did not want Jessie to win' is perhaps a little unfortunate, but I am sure you meant people who voted for Jodie did so because they wanted Jodie to win'.

a.  If anyone has bought tickets before the final and it is on a night Jodie does not perform, they took a risk with who they would get anyway -But agree that is not the point you are debating.  

b.  It is now clearly signed when Jodie will perform and so there shouldn't be any disappointment amongst those who bought after announcement.

c.   Why would it matter to anyone who another audience sees.  I would eat my hat if it were Jessie or Rachel - I am sure, whatever anyone wants, or does not want, they will have to use an alternative unconnected with the show until the end of May. I think CM could possibly be tempted to use either as an alternative, but only after the 6 month contract.  After that it is his show, and he has every right.  You phone voted for a set period.  Lee could have gone after 6 months but was a huge success and had his contract extended.  That puts Jodie on the same footing as everyone who WINS A NORMAL AUDITION.

If it is a matter of principle, perhaps it is worth asking is it an understudy you object to performing on other nights, or just another IDA contestant?

If you look at my previous posts I doubt this will happen in the 6 month contract period, and how do you or I know that having an alternative isn't something that Jodie has agreed to as long as it is not on one of the 'big' nights?

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 11:32 AM

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I think the phrase 'people who voted for Jodie did so because they did not want Jessie to win' is perhaps a little unfortunate, but I am sure you meant people who voted for Jodie did so because they wanted Jodie to win'.



No, I think by default anyone who voted for Jodie didn't want Jessie to win. If they didn't care either way, they would not have voted, and if they'd wanted Jessie to win, they'd have voted for Jessie. That's how people's minds work.

Many of those people who voted will not go and see the show - they won't be able to afford it, or won't be able to get down to London, or won't be able to get someone to look after their kids etc etc...

It sounds strange, but to them the TV show is the entertainment event, which they wanted to participate in,
and did so by voting. And to them the role of Nancy is the 'prize' - it doesn't make any difference whether Jessie plays the role on wednesday afternoons, the point is they voted to decide who would get the prize for '8 shows a week', to decide who would 'be Nancy'.

So, the producers can cast Jessie if they want, but in that case the cost of the phone votes should be refunded. The public knocked her out of the competition - they didn't want her to be Nancy. if you're going to put the role up to popular vote - and make money out of the voting -you have to abide by the decision of that vote.

I'm re-iterating this because I think the fact that you like Jessie and want to see her play Nancy has made you miss the point that we've all been making, which is really nothing to do with the stage show, but to do with telephone voting in TV competitions!

Understudies are different - they go on when the main performer is sick or on holiday, and sickness and holidays are a part of life. Similarly, once it is the end of the initial booking period, it's a free for all.

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 02:47 PM

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No, I think by default anyone who voted for Jodie didn't want Jessie to win. If they didn't care either way, they would not have voted, and if they'd wanted Jessie to win, they'd have voted for Jessie. That's how people's minds work.

Many of those people who voted will not go and see the show - they won't be able to afford it, or won't be able to get down to London, or won't be able to get someone to look after their kids etc etc...

It sounds strange, but to them the TV show is the entertainment event, which they wanted to participate in,
and did so by voting. And to them the role of Nancy is the 'prize' - it doesn't make any difference whether Jessie plays the role on wednesday afternoons, the point is they voted to decide who would get the prize for '8 shows a week', to decide who would 'be Nancy'.

So, the producers can cast Jessie if they want, but in that case the cost of the phone votes should be refunded. The public knocked her out of the competition - they didn't want her to be Nancy. if you're going to put the role up to popular vote - and make money out of the voting -you have to abide by the decision of that vote.

I'm re-iterating this because I think the fact that you like Jessie and want to see her play Nancy has made you miss the point that we've all been making, which is really nothing to do with the stage show, but to do with telephone voting in TV competitions!

I did like Jessie, but I would have been very thrilled to see either Sam or Rachel in the role.  I am disappointed to see Jodie who I don't think has anything to recommend her for this particular role, other than her voice.  However, I am consoling myself with RA as Fagin, who I will be very interested to see in the part.

ALL THAT IS IRRELEVANT THOUGH (not shouting, just underlining that is only a preference),

Even if Jessie got alternative, WHICH SHE WON'T AT FIRST, no prize is taken away.

I do agree that people voted for Jodie and that a lot won't go and see her - that is exactly why I hate this kind of voting, because that makes a NONSENSE of the whole voting process, and it was very obvious that Jodie, because of a reality following already, was more likely than some of the others to attract this kind of viewer.  

The phone votes can't be refunded, and if someone is stupid enough to vote hundreds of times for something they are never going to see, if Jodie only does a short contract, they will have to console themselves with the fact they have contributed to a young performers fund.  

Jodie might have a television offer after 6 months and want to leave herself - are the voters going to chase her for breach of what they see as a contract between them and the production.

No rules of any contract can be broken, so until you know the exact terms, I wouldn't speculate on what can and can not be done.
Understudies are different - they go on when the main performer is sick or on holiday, and sickness and holidays are a part of life. Similarly, once it is the end of the initial booking period, it's a free for all.



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Posted 26 June 2008 - 02:55 PM

QUOTE(Kathryn2 @ Jun 26 2008, 11:32 AM) View Post
No, I think by default anyone who voted for Jodie didn't want Jessie to win. If they didn't care either way, they would not have voted, and if they'd wanted Jessie to win, they'd have voted for Jessie. That's how people's minds work.

Many of those people who voted will not go and see the show - they won't be able to afford it, or won't be able to get down to London, or won't be able to get someone to look after their kids etc etc...

It sounds strange, but to them the TV show is the entertainment event, which they wanted to participate in,
and did so by voting. And to them the role of Nancy is the 'prize' - it doesn't make any difference whether Jessie plays the role on wednesday afternoons, the point is they voted to decide who would get the prize for '8 shows a week', to decide who would 'be Nancy'.

So, the producers can cast Jessie if they want, but in that case the cost of the phone votes should be refunded. The public knocked her out of the competition - they didn't want her to be Nancy. if you're going to put the role up to popular vote - and make money out of the voting -you have to abide by the decision of that vote.

I'm re-iterating this because I think the fact that you like Jessie and want to see her play Nancy has made you miss the point that we've all been making, which is really nothing to do with the stage show, but to do with telephone voting in TV competitions! .


I did like Jessie, but I would have been very thrilled to see either Sam or Rachel in the role.  I am disappointed to see Jodie who I don't think has anything to recommend her for this particular role, other than her voice.  However, I am consoling myself with RA as Fagin, who I will be very interested to see in the part.

ALL THAT IS IRRELEVANT THOUGH (not shouting, just underlining that is only a preference),

Even if Jessie got alternative, WHICH SHE WON'T AT FIRST, no prize is taken away.

I do agree that people voted for Jodie and that a lot won't go and see her - that is exactly why I hate this kind of voting, because that makes a NONSENSE of the whole voting process, and it was very obvious that Jodie, because of a reality following already, was more likely than some of the others to attract this kind of viewer.  

The phone votes can't be refunded, and if someone is stupid enough to vote hundreds of times for something they are never going to see, if Jodie only does a short contract, they will have to console themselves with the fact they have contributed to a young performers fund.  

Jodie might have a television offer after 6 months and want to leave herself - are the voters going to chase her for breach of what they see as a contract between them and the production.[/size][/size]

No rules of any contract can be broken, so until you know the exact terms, I wouldn't speculate on what can and can not be done

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 03:15 PM

so at the next election, the tories and labour don't really need to bother campaigning, by your logic. after all, whoever comes second can be in government for 2 days a week, and no-one's really got any right to complain, cos SOME people wanted them.

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so at the next election, the tories and labour don't really need to bother campaigning, by your logic. after all, whoever comes second can be in government for 2 days a week, and no-one's really got any right to complain, cos SOME people wanted them.

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second place is no place.



Sorry about large last posts - complete luddite with these things - don't know what I did.

I don't know what your point is Haz at all, I'm afraid.  Everyone always has a right to complain - and everyone also has a right to respond to a complaint??????????????????????????????????????????????////////////////

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 03:24 PM

QUOTE(poster girl @ Jun 26 2008, 03:20 PM) View Post
Sorry about large last posts - complete luddite with these things - don't know what I did.

I don't know what your point is Haz at all, I'm afraid.  Everyone always has a right to complain - and everyone also has a right to respond to a complaint??????????????????????????????????????????????////////////////



Just understand your point - very thick today.

Until we know what the terms of a contract between the BBC winner, the Beeb and McIntosh productions are, we don't know if they are breaking any clause IF, (AND IT'S A BIG IF) they go down a certain route.

The contract between the electorate and a political party is clear - but of course, some say proportional representation would represent public opinion more - well the LD do, I'm steering well clear of that political debate.

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 03:27 PM

IMO, the contract between the beeb and cam mack is completely irrelevant. it is the 'contract' between the bbc and the voters that i believe is coming into question here, as a result of the (alleged) actions of ALW, CM et al.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 03:30 PM

from the 'voting' page on the I'd Do Anything website:

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This series ONE girl will ultimately win the role of Nancy and THREE lucky boys will get the chance to play Oliver professionally in the West End.
You and your votes will ultimately decide who becomes Nancy. Our winning three Olivers will exclusively be chosen by Andrew and the panel and will not be put under the pressure of the public vote.


no mention of runners up prizes there.
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