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Poll: Les Mis dress rehearsal (34 member(s) have cast votes)

Which Les Mis song would you most like to sing at a dress rehearsal?

  1. At the End of the Day (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Bring Him Home (3 votes [8.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.82%

  3. Do You Hear the People Sing? (5 votes [14.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.71%

  4. Empty Chairs at Empty Tables (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. I Dreamed a Dream (2 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  6. Look Down (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Master of the House (3 votes [8.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.82%

  8. On My Own (3 votes [8.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.82%

  9. One Day More (10 votes [29.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.41%

  10. Stars (8 votes [23.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.53%

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#301 SHk

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 11:00 AM

View PostDoogie Hoser, on 17 January 2012 - 11:49 PM, said:

Have to agree on Alexia, though I don't take any pleasure in saying 'crap'.  And it wasn't crap but her principal contribution did seem to that she can sing very loudly and do a few vocal gymnastics.  Other than that... I mean, how can Eponine leave you near flat?  That spunky little badly parented piece of cannon fodder should leave you in tears every time.


I know. I just don't think ALexia has any understanding of the role at all. No one told her what kind of girl Eponine is? She's never read the original book? She doesn't listen to other characters' lyrics? " Her life was dark and cold, but she was unafraid" Marius sings something like this, doesn't he, when she dies?

Her everything (singing, voice volume movements, mannerism etc.) sticks out like a sore thumb all the way through. How come the director or whoever is responsible can't see that? It's as if her only purpose on stage is show off how loudly she can belt out.  And I intensely dislike the way she is treating the role as if it's a comic role. I am sure she is a great comedienne in other shows, but  giving one's own interpretation to the role and bringing the role down to the level one can cope with are two different things.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 04:48 PM

View PostSHk, on 18 January 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

I know. I just don't think ALexia has any understanding of the role at all. No one told her what kind of girl Eponine is? She's never read the original book? She doesn't listen to other characters' lyrics? " Her life was dark and cold, but she was unafraid" Marius sings something like this, doesn't he, when she dies?

Her everything (singing, voice volume movements, mannerism etc.) sticks out like a sore thumb all the way through. How come the director or whoever is responsible can't see that? It's as if her only purpose on stage is show off how loudly she can belt out.  And I intensely dislike the way she is treating the role as if it's a comic role. I am sure she is a great comedienne in other shows, but  giving one's own interpretation to the role and bringing the role down to the level one can cope with are two different things.

I completely disagree. If you don't like her interpretation I can understand - she's not to everybody's tastes, but I fail to see how her characterisation contradicts anything in the show. I really don't think she plays it all that differently to others, and she certainly didn't have any elements of "comedy" in her performance when I saw it, so I'm not quite sure I get what you mean by that.
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Posted 18 January 2012 - 05:10 PM

View PostElliott, on 18 January 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

I completely disagree. If you don't like her interpretation I can understand - she's not to everybody's tastes, but I fail to see how her characterisation contradicts anything in the show. I really don't think she plays it all that differently to others, and she certainly didn't have any elements of "comedy" in her performance when I saw it, so I'm not quite sure I get what you mean by that.

Well, she isn't interpreting it. That's the problem, isn't it? She is just twisting around the character to suit what she is good at. Thus, comedy. If you look at her facial expressions and how she moves her body parts, especially the shoulders, you might see what I mean.  Oh and how she bounces around the stage as if its Lion King. If she doesn't even know how she should move on stage, it's no wonder she doesn't know how to sing that famous aria.  She certainly plays the role differently from any other Eponine I've seen over the years - by NOT playing it.


But as I said before, I can see she could be very good in other musicals.  I saw her in a small musical called Ordinary Days or something.  She was very good and charming.  So, I am not dismissing her as an actor altogether. But when I see a bad performance, I feel it's only just to point it out.

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 06:42 PM

View PostSHk, on 18 January 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

I know. I just don't think ALexia has any understanding of the role at all. No one told her what kind of girl Eponine is? She's never read the original book? She doesn't listen to other characters' lyrics? " Her life was dark and cold, but she was unafraid" Marius sings something like this, doesn't he, when she dies?

Her everything (singing, voice volume movements, mannerism etc.) sticks out like a sore thumb all the way through. How come the director or whoever is responsible can't see that? It's as if her only purpose on stage is show off how loudly she can belt out.  And I intensely dislike the way she is treating the role as if it's a comic role. I am sure she is a great comedienne in other shows, but  giving one's own interpretation to the role and bringing the role down to the level one can cope with are two different things.


Its not clear if its the direction other than the acting.Tour Eponine went to many of the same places with the character-  particularly in what wasn't there, and vocally . They also seem to have gone for a singer primarily in the film version. if , from reports,   its gone to a Country singer. I can't see her sounding anything like the  actors playing her parents. Helena Bonham Carter could probably play Valjean if you asked her , buut I can't see the Thenardiers all talking as if they come from Pennsylvania. I thought there was a character there in Alexia-Eponine - she's a girl who stays in the background, because she's had a tough life, and she's got attitude, and she can belt out a  song. My problem was that the three things didn't fit together , contradicted, and she didn't sound like a Thenardier doing any of them. Because she's quiet and withdrawn ,doesn't look waif like or complex, and doesn't send out positives, or show potential  and can belt strongly and safely , she didn't make much contact with me  I thought she came, died, and made little impression. .If you play it as a recluse, we don't get involved with you,  and if you soar effortlessly we don't get the emotion in the song, or sit there willing you on to get the note. If you don't sound and act like a Thenardier, we miss why you are as you are, why you can't win your love,  and what you accomplish to move away from your roots. If its not even clearer you love Marius, you don't justify  your role in the finale. Withdrawn is OK -  if you can play it as interestingly as Frances Rufelle. If  you can just keep to the story and  emotions, there's probably enough  there - even if you can't  work the story, and potential  emotions more - Sam Barks worked for me too.  What doesn't work is to be more damaged, but less quirky - , whilst at the same time being  more streetwise and stronger but less Thenardier.

Having said that Eponine still gets her big reception when I have seen her , although she doesn't command her silences or get the hankies out,  as well as some.  If you haven't seen someone else bringing the full potential  out of the character, or someone doing this version without some add ons, perhaps it doesn't notice so much.

Its not only an Eponine issue either- they seem to be casting  other characters differently at different castings too  - or directing them to do something different. Tour Fantine seems to have had different direction. while Queens Fantine has stayed more with the classic model . Alfie moved Valjean more to a singing role - Ramin moves it back. Thenardier has moved more  to comedy on the tour ,and at the O2, and then with Matt at Queens, and has now moved back to portraying  his darker nature. They also seem undecided what they are going to do about making the Thenardiers a standout unique group by giving them that cockney accent. Some people seem to do it. some try, some can't, some don't.  Part of Eponine's problem may be at the moment be that her parents are decidedly more distinctive as Thenardiers and  sounding like it too -wheras she sounds more generic and unrelated. It might work better if they decided whether they were  going to be over PC,  or going to forget the  accent, or agreed what the Thenardiers should sound like and cast accordingly. They also may have a problem with a Marius and Cosette who do have real chemistry. Eponine there is a clear non contender for Marius - and that  may shunt her into the role of onlooker rather than main character. the answer is to make Eponine more attractive herslf - not to turn her into a bystander who comes and goes.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:44 PM

djp, it made me laguth that Helena BC can play JVJ if she was asked. Ha ha ha. so true.

I don't know how much residential director is involved in coaching the new cast ( I don't thik Mr. Caird or Sir Trevor still come to give them notes, sadly), but really, everytihig the actors need to know is all in the score and lyrics, even if they never read the book (but I hope they all do).  That's why this musical is a masterpiece.

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 01:57 AM

View Postdjp, on 18 January 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

Its not clear if its the direction other than the acting.Tour Eponine went to many of the same places with the character-  particularly in what wasn't there, and vocally . They also seem to have gone for a singer primarily in the film version. if , from reports,   its gone to a Country singer. I can't see her sounding anything like the  actors playing her parents. Helena Bonham Carter could probably play Valjean if you asked her , buut I can't see the Thenardiers all talking as if they come from Pennsylvania. I thought there was a character there in Alexia-Eponine - she's a girl who stays in the background, because she's had a tough life, and she's got attitude, and she can belt out a  song. My problem was that the three things didn't fit together , contradicted, and she didn't sound like a Thenardier doing any of them. Because she's quiet and withdrawn ,doesn't look waif like or complex, and doesn't send out positives, or show potential  and can belt strongly and safely , she didn't make much contact with me  I thought she came, died, and made little impression. .If you play it as a recluse, we don't get involved with you,  and if you soar effortlessly we don't get the emotion in the song, or sit there willing you on to get the note. If you don't sound and act like a Thenardier, we miss why you are as you are, why you can't win your love,  and what you accomplish to move away from your roots. If its not even clearer you love Marius, you don't justify  your role in the finale. Withdrawn is OK -  if you can play it as interestingly as Frances Rufelle. If  you can just keep to the story and  emotions, there's probably enough  there - even if you can't  work the story, and potential  emotions more - Sam Barks worked for me too.  What doesn't work is to be more damaged, but less quirky - , whilst at the same time being  more streetwise and stronger but less Thenardier.

Having said that Eponine still gets her big reception when I have seen her , although she doesn't command her silences or get the hankies out,  as well as some.  If you haven't seen someone else bringing the full potential  out of the character, or someone doing this version without some add ons, perhaps it doesn't notice so much.

Its not only an Eponine issue either- they seem to be casting  other characters differently at different castings too  - or directing them to do something different. Tour Fantine seems to have had different direction. while Queens Fantine has stayed more with the classic model . Alfie moved Valjean more to a singing role - Ramin moves it back. Thenardier has moved more  to comedy on the tour ,and at the O2, and then with Matt at Queens, and has now moved back to portraying  his darker nature. They also seem undecided what they are going to do about making the Thenardiers a standout unique group by giving them that cockney accent. Some people seem to do it. some try, some can't, some don't.  Part of Eponine's problem may be at the moment be that her parents are decidedly more distinctive as Thenardiers and  sounding like it too -wheras she sounds more generic and unrelated. It might work better if they decided whether they were  going to be over PC,  or going to forget the  accent, or agreed what the Thenardiers should sound like and cast accordingly. They also may have a problem with a Marius and Cosette who do have real chemistry. Eponine there is a clear non contender for Marius - and that  may shunt her into the role of onlooker rather than main character. the answer is to make Eponine more attractive herslf - not to turn her into a bystander who comes and goes.

i did love the way sophia ragavelas played the part. also sabrina aloueche. nancy sullivan was always a bit more of a fantine in my opinion.. but she too had some good character qualities.

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 10:27 AM

The only girls I've seen in the role previous to Alexia were the last two London principles, Nancy Sullivan and Sam Barks. I thought Nancy was just wonderful, lovely voice, charming with just the right balance of fragility and attitude, I found her performance heartbreaking and she very much looked the part. Sam I didn't think fitted quite so well looks wise, but her acting and vocals were top notch. Compared to them, Alexia leaves me cold. I don't think she's a bad actress, and while I don't particularly like her voice there's no doubt she can sing. She's a very sweet girl, just not suited to this role in my opinion.

I've never see Helen, can anyone tell me what her performance is like? She's been there for years, I imagine she's settled into the part even though it's not hers the majority of the time.

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 11:07 AM

View Postcat123, on 20 January 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

The only girls I've seen in the role previous to Alexia were the last two London principles, Nancy Sullivan and Sam Barks. I thought Nancy was just wonderful, lovely voice, charming with just the right balance of fragility and attitude, I found her performance heartbreaking and she very much looked the part. Sam I didn't think fitted quite so well looks wise, but her acting and vocals were top notch. Compared to them, Alexia leaves me cold. I don't think she's a bad actress, and while I don't particularly like her voice there's no doubt she can sing. She's a very sweet girl, just not suited to this role in my opinion.

I've never see Helen, can anyone tell me what her performance is like? She's been there for years, I imagine she's settled into the part even though it's not hers the majority of the time.

Personally I didnt like Nancy, thought Sam was great but the best ive seen has been Sophia Ragavelas. I loved Alexias Elphaba, by far my favourite of the London Elphabas, ive only heard her On My Own on Youtube, hope to see her live soon, but loved what I heard

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 01:10 PM

Saw Les Mis last night and was (mostly) blown away by it. The last time I saw the show was June 2011 and it was in pretty poor shape so I went last night with quite low expectations.
The show feels like a new show. It feels really fresh and full of new life. The new orchestrations have made a huge difference as have the new cast. This cast are the best I've seen in London for quite some time. Chris Jacobsen was on as Valjean and was sensational. I first saw him at the Barbican in 2010 and loved him then but he's come on in leaps and bounds and is really growing in the role. His Bring Him Home was one of the most beautiful I've ever heard. In fact the entire male contingent of the cast were just phenomenal. Special mentions to Hadley Fraser (Javerts Suicide gave me goosebumps), Liam Tamne (one of the best Enjolras's I've seen in 15 years) and Adam Linstead (favourite Grantaire ever).
I was however very disappointed by the Fantine, Eponine and Cosette. I was underwhelmed by their performances which is a real shame.

I will be going back as I'm curious to see Ramin's Valjean and I'm so pleased my favourite show is in such good nick.

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 05:17 PM

Adam Linstead is fabulous, I can't take my eyes off him as Grantaire.




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